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02 gennaio

Etiquette of Arguing

I was just on the stupid.ca site (for those of you who are not Canadian or not familiar with the commercials this website is dedicated to educating youth on the dangers of smoking).  Ontario is becoming a smoke-free environment passing by-laws preventing smoking in resturants, bars ... etc.  At the present time there are few public locations that smoking is permitted and they are mainly clubs where membership is required.  In the next few years the government will be enacting laws that prevent smoking even in these locations, causing smokers to have no choice but to smoke in their homes.  Personally, I am not opposed to this decision; I am a non-smoker who enjoys not having to breath in smoke when I go out; however, this is a tangent from my original beef.  As I said I was on the website and I went into the message boards and was reminded of one of my biggest pet peeves.  As on many message boards the threads had gone from a discussion point into a debate into a verbal attack of posters.  As an avid arguer I have noticed that this occurs far too often.  By insulting the person you are arguing against you are not disproving or even calling into question their point.  This form of response is merely a diversion intended to draw attention away from the fact that you are in too far over your head.  If you cannot debate your point without insulting the person you are arguing against maybe you should research the topic a little more before participating.

Directly attacking a person during an argument is not the only form of debate that cannot be considered valid.  When you simply state that a person is wrong or that their opinion is stupid you are not offering a valid argument you are simply attacking them in a more subtle manner. 

Personally I think it is important for us to learn how to argue our points correctly.  A valid argument is one that attacks the validity of the argument, not the person who is arguing that point.  Whether we agree with an argument or not it is important to respect the opinion of the person we are arguing against by not belittling them. 

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Kristoff_The_Last_Ronin ha scritto:
It does make me want to continue smoking as there commercials do try to insult the dying breed of smokers and I want to light up and tell them fuck off. Really they need an industrial psychologist to review their message and tailor it to the demographic group in question with a truly effective and uniform approach. But hell the best of these people all work in LA and NY on big contracts why would they bother.
18 Dic.
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never_cry_wolfe_virginia ha scritto:
Mistress, as for finding soemthing I agree w/ and commenting on that, that is no fun. And if you read all of my comments across everyone's sites that I post on you would discover that I do indeed agree with other people often. Truth is that I find debating more educational than simply agreeing with someone else's point. For example on RyanWoolfrey's site I do not think I have agreed with him once on the page (have I) but that is not to say that I don't actually agree w/ what he is saying. All that means is that in responding to his blogs it is more fun to play the antithesis to all his points. The best argument a person can come up w/ is one that they have considered all possible sides to (and that includes the negative). I personally do not feel vindicated when everyone agrees with me, and I would rather have various points negating what I am saying that way I can truly evaluate my own opinions and find the pitfalls in them.

Thanks for your though provoking comment.
9 Gen.
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never_cry_wolfe_virginia ha scritto:
understand the idea that in order to have a real debate you have to sound strong in your convictions or the other person will not take the argument seriously. Anyway, like I said if you truly have a beef with my postings elsewhere please let me know to which you are referring to (quote them here if you will). If I am introducing irrelevant material into the argument I would like to know so as to abide by my own rules of etiquette posted here.
9 Gen.
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never_cry_wolfe_virginia ha scritto:
Mistress. We are all entitled to our opinions. It sounds to me like you are referring to the comment I wrote on a site when someone said "is it just me or are there very few ppl who list good music on their blogs" (I am paraphrasing but that was the general sentiment). For anyone who didn't see that message my response to the 4 ppl agreeing w/ this person was that they are close-minded and need to be less judgemental (again paraphrased). Now I may be incorrect in assuming this is the comment you are referring to, if I am please let me know which comments you think I am directly attacking the writing by bringing up irrelevant information and I will happily debate a point with you. As for your comment about sounding like a know it all, a good debate is sometimes founded on that impression. RyanWoolfrey and I debate across both our sites and we both seem to have the same general "I am right attidtude." This doesn't mean that we both are right or that we are know it all's it just shows that we (cont)
9 Gen.
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MistressMachree ha scritto:
I've read your comments on other blogs. You claim, "A valid argument is one that attacks the validity of the argument, not the person who is arguing that point. Whether we agree with an argument or not it is important to respect the opinion of the person we are arguing against by not belittling them." But the comments I see you write to others always seem confrontational and demeaning. I've gotten the impression you feel as if you have all the answers or at least the right ones and that if someone goes against your views you negate what they say and try to come across as being superior. You should try being alittle nicer and once in awhile pick a topic on someone's blog that you might agree with instead of coming across so negative and like a know it all.
8 Gen.
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never_cry_wolfe_virginia ha scritto:
FYI this type of argument is actually a fallacious one. The name of it is argumentum ad hominem (argument against the man) check out this link http://www.fallacyfiles.org/adhomine.html for more info on this type of logical fallacy. The site is pretty good for the rest of the logical fallacies as well
4 Gen.
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RyanWoolfrey ha scritto:
I completely agree. It's so frustrating to try to have a healthy debate when someone is only interested in making you look like a fool; ironically, it's usually those people who end up looking foolish.
I saw your comment on my blog (good points, btw) and thought I'd come on over and check your space out... and I noticed you're Canadian! Whoohoo! Hehe, it's just nice to have a fellow Canadian to chat it up with!
3 Gen.

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