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11 February

Have we learned nothing from the Monkey Scopes Trial?

I found this article today and it made me both sad and incredibly upset to see that this is once again an issue in the American educational system.  

  http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/science/story/0,12996,1407424,00.html

Why can we just not accept that there is a place for scientific theory and a place for religious theory.  Sure maybe not everyone believes in both, either or neither but we cannot discount the theory of evolution because it cannot be proven.  Most scientific theory does not have concrete proof but it is still put into practice because there is ample evidence to support it (as is the case with Evolution).  Stating that "there is no way this planet could have evolved b/c it is far too complicated therefore there must be a creator" (a paraphrase just so everyone is clear) is not science and should not be treated as such.  Religious classes are there for the teaching of religious theory and science classes are for the teaching of scientific theory.  Let's keep them separate and allow our children to make up their own minds about which theory they wish to put their stock into.

If asked I guess I am probably an evolutionist (well I guess there are no probablys about it; I firmly believe in evolutionary theory and feel that creationism is not something that should be taught alongside it); however, in general I have an open mind.  I am open to hearing the teaching of religious theory as long as it remains in its own place, and the science classroom is not that place.  If these "activists" wanted to rally for a class that teaches strictly theories of evolution which deals with ALL religious theories of evolution (meaning not just Christian theory) as well as the scientific theory of evolution and any other evolutionary theory you might find I would be fine with them being taught in the same class, hey it would make for a well rounded educational experience no?  However, I have said it once and I will say it again THAT PLACE IS NOT THE SCIENCE CLASSROOM.  Not only would teaching religious theory of evolution side-by-side with the scientific theory in the SCIENCE classroom undermine that theory it would undermine all scientific theories and the study of science.  We cannot produce well rounded individuals if we attempt to censor or undermine everything that we disagree with.  

What irritates me most about this creationist movement is the apparent lack of information that its advocators have.  The article mentions a gentleman posing the following questions:

"I have a question: if man comes from monkeys, why are there still monkeys? Why do you waste time teaching something in science class that is not scientific?"  

Clearly this man is a supporter of the creationist movement.  If this gentleman had done any research into the theory of evolution before opening his mouth he would have a variety of answers to his questions that circle around the same concept (i.e. environmental adaptation and survival).  The fact that the proponents of this creationist resurgence are ignorant about the theory they are trying to undermine leaves me with both a bad taste in my mouth and a desire to treat them as fools and laugh this off.  Unfortunately given the locale of this issue laughing it off is not something that we can do.  I hope that good sense will rule and we will find that science and religion remain in separate classrooms; however, I have this awful feeling in the pit of my stomach that this will not be the case.  Maybe someone should write a manifesto outlining the rippling effect that their decision will have across America and probably Canada, post it as a petition and then submit it to the Kansas state educators... well, it's just a thought. 

 

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fume-hombr​e撰寫:
The simple fact is that evolutionary theory is scientific because it is based on scientific principles of observational reasoning, but you must also remember that it is only a theory, no matter how well it fits. As for ID, it finds its basis in high end mathematics which the general scientific community suggests is flawed. I don't think much more needs to be said.
9 月 17 日
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never_cry_wolfe_virginia 撰寫:
[cont.] when staunch close-minded believers are attempting to undermine the theory that they themselves do not believe in. I am a firm believer in the idea that in order to truly understand any issue you have to be able to understand, conceptualize and argue the opposite side of the coin or else your argument re: whatever issue floats your boat will not be the strongest possible one it can be. I think that by not giving students the opportunity to learn both theories separately we would be making them somewhat deficient in defending whichever theory they then chose to believe.
2 月 14 日
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never_cry_wolfe_virginia 撰寫:
well I do not disagree with having a class focussed on teaching all different theories of evolution, in fact that would be a class I attend; however, to the issue of indoctrination of evolutionary theory I got the feeling from the article that it is quite the opposite and it is religious theory that they are being indoctrinated with. My big issue is with the scientific and religious theories being taught in science class (if you want them taught in the same class then religion classes will have to teach the theory of evolution if you are forcing the opposite side of the coin). I have no problem with both theories being taught or whichever one or both combined people choose to believe in, my parents are both Catholics who believe in the theory of evolution and that God created us (evolution took what God initially created altered it into the form we now inhabit and then God gave humans a soul). I am asking for open-mindedness concerning all theories whether one agrees with them or not and that is impossible
2 月 14 日
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becky 撰寫:
do not beleive in intelligent design ( or creation if you prefer) but their children were being told that the only possible choice is creation. Now I know that you may think they are different because they are on two different levels , one is a religion and one is science. but to some degree it is also a beleif is it not? Science and religion have not been completely incompatible through the ages , and I have to admit ( call me crazy) that I beleive that science will come to prove more and more things in religion as true ( but thats a whole other can of worms!!!)anyway my point was that perhaps many different ideas need to be taught alongside one another. Evolution is for the most part taught in science classes , so I can see your point that it makes sense that scientific ideas would be taught in those classes- but evolution is also being taught in history and other classes , I think a class on origins would be interesting. one presenting as many different perspectives on our origins as possible. hmm . . any
2 月 14 日
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becky 撰寫:
I know this isn't going to come out as it sounds in my head but I'm gonna go for it here anyway . .
Obviously I can not speak for all the people involved in these issues in Kansas but from my perspective I can understand why some parents would not want to have evolution taught as the one and only unquestionably correct theory for how we came about. Obviously it is an extremely important theory and a very influential one that most certainly and undeniably holds at least some truth- but parents proabaly feel that their children are being indoctrinated with evolution whereas the idea that we could have been created is shunned and even ridiculed by some teachers and thus children ( many of whom at a younger age level would not question their teachers word) are just taking for granted that it must be the only choice and complete and total truth. and now I know you may say that this is completely different , but imagine a child who's parents have absolutely no religious association and absolutly (con't)
2 月 14 日

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