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27 maggio

A Hypocritical Church's Sex Lesson

Thanks to Ryan for the link to this article.  That being said Ryan you may not agree with anything I have written here, but remember disagreement is the spice of life. 

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This is all especially outrageous considering that the openly gay community has offered a model of honest and socially accountable behavior, while the Catholic Church--secretive and unaccountable--has provided exactly the opposite. In fact, the church's history of sexual abuse by "celibate" priests and nuns makes the case that the repression of natural impulses leads to, rather than discourages, sexual abuse. Is it too much to ask that a religious institution sporting such an abysmal record in dealing with these matters stop dictating the bedroom behavior of its millions of followers?

~ Robert Scheer, “A Hypocritical Church's Sex Lessons”

Can we jump to conclusions please? *please read that previous statement again and note the INCREDIBLE amount of sarcasm that was intended in it*

One of my greatest loves (and by loves I really mean things I cannot stand) are people who make statements that they cannot backup or for which they, either knowingly or unknowingly leave out important information in order to cloud the judgement of those who are listening to them.  Anyone who knows me will be able to pick out the exact statement in the above quote that has me in a tizzy, and for those who do not let me elucidate for you:  “The church’s history of sexual abuse by ‘celibate’ priests and nuns makes the case that the repression of natural impulses leads to, rather than discourages, sexual abuse.”  Well, let me tell you it is nice to know that Mr. Scheer performed an extensive SCIENTIFIC study of priests and nuns whose results illustrated that the majority of those who choose to become priests and nuns have no history of sexual abuse or molestation before entering the church and it is only after the repression of their sexual behaviour by celibacy that these behaviours develop and manifest themselves.  It is also nice to know that since he is reporting this information it has been independently confirmed.  I mean, the implications of these results are widespread.  One can assume from this then that all those who are jailed for any form of sexual abuse simply do not lead active enough sex lives.  I guess then that celibacy and abstinence can only lead to individuals who abuse others.  The solution as I see it then is to begin teaching our children that in order to maintain healthy sexual interests they should start having sexual relationships as soon as possible.  Wait that is crazy isn’t it?  Sounds like I may be going a little too far and stating an extremist point of view but clearly that is the only option.  I mean the answer cannot simply be that some individuals deviate from societal definitions of normal sexual interests.  Heck for that matter it seems too simple an explanation to say that maybe the seemingly high percentage of priests and nuns who have committed acts of sexual abuse entered the church as a means of covering up their penchant for something that society deemed inappropriate.  That is silly; of course individuals could not have chosen a path that they thought would provide them protection from the general population’s opinion of their [insert adjective here for example “immoral” “unnatural”] disposition.  Nope, we have to conclude that individuals go bad upon entering the Catholic Church, they become immoral sexual predators and as a result of this the Church in its entirety is not fit to guide its followers in their “bedroom behaviour.”

Phew, that being written maybe I can continue without the “subtle” undertones of sarcasm that can be seen above.  I find the final sentence in the above quote quite interesting as well, specifically the part about the “abysmal record” of the Catholic Church, clearly making reference to the number of priests who have been caught “with their pants down.”  In the article, and what drew me to read it (thanks Ryan) is a comment by the new pope.  The quote from the pope comes from a comment he made in 2002 and it reads:

In the church, priests also are sinners. But I am personally convinced that the   constant presence in the press of the sins of Catholic priests, especially in the United States, is a planned campaign, as the percentage of these offenses among priests is not higher than in other categories, and perhaps it is even lower.

Now say what you will but I personally do not believe in a conspiracy against the Catholic Church by the media.  However, the pope does have a point that is echoed in the mention of the Church’s “abysmal record” by Mr. Scheer: the media over reports the bad, skewing perception.  This is not only the case for the Church but this provides a good example of the behaviour I am referring to.  How many articles have you read about the priest who didn’t molest a child?  My count is zero, you?  Now how many have you read about the priest who did molest a child?  Far more than zero is probably the answer.  With or without a conspiracy against the Catholic Church there appears to be an “abysmal record” of priests who are molesting individuals; however, this is more than likely not the case.  We perceive there to be a dramatic rise in the number of sexually abusive acts surrounding the Catholic Church not because there are but simply because they are being reported.  This is not to say that sexual abuse in the church does not occur.  As a matter of fact believing that in any population there is a lack of what we would consider deviant behaviour would be an uneducated assumption.  Simple probabilities are going to indicate that a percentage of any population are going to deviate from “normal” and the Church is no different.  For example*, let’s say that .5% of a population deviates from the “normal” sexual desires.  This .5% of individuals are the paedophiles, bestialists (I am aware that I may have made up a word there.  These would be the people who engage in bestiality), etc. in a population.  Now say for example that there are 600,000 Catholic priests and nuns.  Probability says that in this population there should be 3000 individuals who deviate from “normal” sexual urges.  If we consider the argument that I was making above that the Church may historically have been seen as a safe haven for individuals who did differ from those norms then the percentage of individuals who will potentially demonstrate “unacceptable” sexual preferences increases, but let’s leave that out of it for now.  Let’s imagine for a second that 600 of these 3000 individuals act upon their urges even though they have taken a vow of celibacy.  Of those 600, 340 are caught and the media reports those 340 cases to the public.  The media does not mention the other 597,000 who do not deviate probabilistically, they do not mention the 2400 that may statistically deviate but have never acted upon their urges, nor do they report the 260 who have not been caught.  This means that 340 cases become the primary representative sample in the general public of sexual behaviour among members of the Catholic Church.  In other words, .0006% of the population becomes the representative sample that we base our “abysmal record” on.  Does this not seem a little skewed to everyone else?  That leaves 99.9994% of the population who we are judging based upon the reported actions of less than 1% of the population in question.  How can we make judgements of an entire population based upon such a small sample? 

Well, that about sums up my problems with the quote at the top of this page.  Please read the article and try to have an open mind when reading it.  If you disagree with me that is your own prerogative and I would like to hear your opinion so please let me know.

* These numbers have been made up by me.

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Immagine di Anonimo
never_cry_wolfe_virginia ha scritto:
I do not actually know how to take the last comment ... "get me going" in the riled up sense that this entire piece was written in or just give me more fodder to attack the writer of this article. I could easily take what the roguewarrior has written and turn it against a large part of Mr. Scheer's argument, especially "the openly gay community has offered a model of honest and socially accountable behavior" but I feel that would not be the correct thing to do for various reasons. First, if I were to take this point and run with it I may end up unintentionally attacking homosexuality or writing something that could be construed as such and I have no ill feelings toward anyone whose sexual preferences deviate from mine in the sex they are attracted to. Second if I were to run with a fact that at the moment is hearsay would I be any better than Mr. Scheer? That being said I would be intereted in seeing these facts and once I had them to back up a point I may persuade myself to take this argument one step further.
3 Giu.
Immagine di Anonimo
Roguewarrior100 ha scritto:
This should get you going..
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The priest molestation problem was an overwhelmingly HOMOSEXUAL problem. During the 1970's the Catholic Church liberalized its policy on accepting homosexuals into the priesthood...now abuses are reported.

These are not abuses of priests on young girls, but on young boys.....hmmmm.

Anyone who want to challenge this, will only be arguing against the facts.
3 Giu.
Immagine di Anonimo
κяΐşиŋα ha scritto:
Hey,
just wanted to say... sometimes we dont HAVE to pen down the feeling we have towards something (eventhought we might feel like). But staying with the feeling is more important than anything else. I trust that since you've already done that...there is reely not much explain it all. Keep the magic to yourself. It meant to be that way.
About dedicating a formal blog..i guess thats one is not reely required. I just did it out of genuineness, though sometimes i don't relate to what you say(because of my different background) But still, thanx for the appreciation.
Keep it up!
Cheers.
1 Giu.
Immagine di Anonimo
never_cry_wolfe_virginia ha scritto:
AL,

As for the comment on my music taste, thank you. I don't know if I would personally define it as good ... it is more ecclectic than anything but I thank you nonetheless.
1 Giu.
Immagine di Anonimo
never_cry_wolfe_virginia ha scritto:
AL,

I hear you loud and clear. Another of my pet peeves are those who think that their [insert noun here (e.g. religion, way of life)] is the only way and that those who are not living like they are are somehow less human and more savage. I do not understand how in a time when we claim to have such acceptance of others we can still perpetrate such malicious acts in the name of God (or gods), or our individual belief system. I think everyone should try for one day to accept everyone around them for who and what they are. Do not judge physical characteristics, religious choices, race, creed instead look at people based upon their actions. If someone treats you with kindness reciprocate no matter their colour or beliefs. If someone treats you like garbage judge them based upon that but do not then take your experience with one person and attribute it to every member of their race, religion etc. Individual actions reflect the actor not a group of people. If you can get through one day of seeing individuals as such you can get through a lifetime without developing preconceived notions based upon stereotypes.
1 Giu.
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the_activist2005 ha scritto:
Don't even get me going on the Catholic church. The sexual molestation cases are only the beginning. You should check out some sites that deal with Catholic and Anglican Residential schools. These holier than thou asses forced aboriginal children from their villages and forced their beliefs and way of life on them. These children were made to perform manual labour and were beaten, starved and sexually molested. Have the Natives recieved an apology???? Not yet. Check out this site....its very informative http://archives.cbc.ca/IDD-1-70-692/disasters_tragedies/residential_schools

Keep fighting the power...........AL

ps...you really have a great taste in music....cuff the duke...sweet
1 Giu.
Immagine di Anonimo
κяΐşиŋα ha scritto:
thanx for dropping by and checking out the link. couldn't resist putting it up
1 Giu.
Immagine di Anonimo
never_cry_wolfe_virginia ha scritto:
I completely agree with you. There is no conspiracy but there is a bias at least in our opinions as a result of the media coverage. And yes, the headline "Priest did not molest a child" would not sell but that is not the point. The point is that this does happen and using this skewed perception to lambast an organization is not good protocol.
31 Mag.
Immagine di Anonimo
Davis_Mavis ha scritto:
Priests who don't molest children wouldn't make very good news, would they? "Tonight at 6: Local Catholic Priest Admits to Never Molesting Anyone! Stay Tuned for More Details!". Of course molesting priests make headlines and tend to stay in the headlines. Pedofiles and sexual predators are incredible news magnets, just look at Michael Jackson, for god's sake. I don't think it's a conspiracy, or even "biased", it's just what makes the most money and attracts the most viewers.
31 Mag.
Immagine di Anonimo
never_cry_wolfe_virginia ha scritto:
I do not want anyone to get me wrong regarding my blog entry. Sticking up for the Catholic Church in the manner that I have should in no way indicate a support for the Catholic Church. I have tried for the most part to keep my religious affiliations, if there are any, from being overt in this space. I enjoy both sides of the argument and this piece is simply a response to what I view as an unjust attack on the Catholic Church. I feel that the writer of the article is as hypocritical as he makes the church out to be and I also feel that he makes many a fallicious statement hence my defence of the Church. That being said I agree with you that the Church has been responsible for many great deeds. One of my greatest contentions is that much of what we view today as aesthetically pleasing and beautiful is a direct result of Christianity but I do wish to reiterate that no one should read a devotion to the Church from this piece.
27 Mag.
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weare_still_young ha scritto:
hi, i would just like to say, i share your bordem, and your thoughts. I really love hearing what people have to say about issues surrounding the catholic church. Just last year, all of the bad aspects of the Catholic church clouded my view, and i was able only to focus on the bad. Now, however i see both the bad and the good. I think you would also agree that the Catholic church has many good aspects. Its involvement in education, providing food and clothes, and supporting charities are things that I often overlook. Simply over the last few years, privatization of the church has closed hospitals, schools, etc. I believe the Church's involvement in these things created a more faithful society, and I think people should do their research and find out what the Catholic church does for good:)
27 Mag.

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